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We Are Celebrating Easter and Passover on this episode. So Mike and me (Shlomo) not suppose to work. We both really enjoy producing the podcast, so I guess it’s not work for us then.  🙂

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Anyway, Itai Damti is joining our show for the 2nd time. He grows his company to Asia and China and has now 200 employees.

His previous episode ( EP. 49 BUILDING AN ASIA OFFICE FOR AN INTERNATIONAL FINTECH COMPANY ) Delivered great value and this one is no different. We also added extensive show notes if you’d like to follow while listening.

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  • Intro Itai – Itai was on the podcast back in episode #49 talking about how to expand into Asia.
  • Updates about Itai’s company (30-40% growth in about 6 months!)
  • What Leverate does
  • what is localization? To be clear – it is Not just translation, right?
  • Localization = all the activities you take to make your product meet user expectations & succeed in a new country
  • Why do we need to localize? Language & culture, regulations, digital ecosystem
  • Localizing your product has 2 main fronts:
    • Infrastructure (the invisible stuff)- hosting, platforms (web/mobile/desktop), payments, mass mailing, analytics
    • Functions (the visible stuff)- languages, additional features, additional products
  • In some countries, localization is “just translation”. In China, it’s not. China is nasty- it’s “too big to ignore” and also very demanding for localization
  • Note that today we will cover product localization, NOT business localization. But business localization (sales, marketing & ops) is no less demanding
  • Learning from Mistakes: Any mistakes you have made, or others you have seen – so that listeners can avoid making those same problems
    • Step 0: you chose a market and it’s not right for you -> We’ve been OK but I’ve once heard a founder asking about India vs. China
    • Step 1: you didn’t make a localization list and you have no idea about what it means to be fully localized. You’re going to the battle and you think there’s a lot to gain, but you don’t understand what needs to be sacrificed along the way -> Leverate did this mistake (like many others). It’s stressful & painful to discover things as you go
    • Step 2: you didn’t choose the right MVL and you launched a shitty product that doesn’t work -> Leverate did this in China and lost our first 10 customers. It’s a terrible mistake and it’s very hard to recover from
    • Step 3: you develop things too early or too late -> Too early may be OK, but too late means you don’t understand the importance? Leverate launched their IB system too late and asked our clients to settle for a half-baked solution for a long long time
  • Tip: localization is just another thing you can work on- challenge yourself and ask why it should have a priority (does it bring more revenues?)
  • Functions (the visible stuff)
    • Translation- OneSky is a great product, highly recommended
    • Additional instruments- people want to trade on things like Bitcoin, USDCNH
    • IB system- supports how our clients market themselves in China
    • WeChat integrations
  • Infrastructure (the invisible stuff)
    • Hosting- Aryaka
    • Web/mobile/desktop- getting to know, a long process of deploying to local stores
    • Mass mailing- local partner
    • Payments- local partner
    • Divorce from Google- remove all references to Google fonts, CDN’s & Analytics
  • Case studies: So how have you gone about localizing the product? What’s your “stack”
  • Testing the Market: Before “going live” what are some tactics companies can take to ensure they are going about it the right way?
  • Make a gradual investment = don’t localize anything if you can MVL first, then measured investments (will bring you new revenues?)
  • Should you use the same team, or make a new team? What are some strategiesI n operations, a designated person/team makes sense.
  • In product (unlike operations), a new team usually makes little sense. Use the same team, but take external knowledge: talk to experts, talk to customers, read and justify localizations, don’t just throw it on people (take your PM’s to China or tell them the China story)
  • Make a localization roadmap, just like you have a full roadmap!
  • B2C companies have to develop MVL before they have customers
  • B2B companies can wait to develop MVL after they have customers. But they usually have a lot more work 🙁 (especially B2B2C)
  • How long would this process take?
  • Localization is an endless process but the good news that it’s also gradual (after step 1 – MVL)
  • Timing is important: Are there different stages of the process? What are some steps a product company should take in localizing their product?
    • Step 0: make sure the market is right for you! Don’t start otherwise
    • Step 1: make “the perfect localization list” (it’s cheap and will make sure you don’t forget) (if you’re an app- almost nothing)
    • Step 2: develop MVL = Minimum Viable Localization
    • Launch!
    • Step 3: iterate and develop more as you learn from leads and customers
  • How To get In touch with Itai?

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